But feeding the trolls is so much fun!

OK, I know, I know, you aren't supposed to feed them, it makes them reluctant to leave.

But today I seriously needed some distraction from my grief, and Holly was kind enough to provide it.

So, thanks Holly, for providing me with said distraction, and for getting me angry enough to remember my commitment to myself--that I will NOT sit on my ass and watch my rights get stripped away. I WILL become active and fight for the right of women to choose, because it's too important to let it continue to slip away because of some fucked up "values" some people who claim to believe in Jesus try to force down my throat.

Oh, and thanks also for becoming the first person I've blocked on my blog. Yeah! I feel all special, like Grrl or someone REALLY cool,  now.

First on the political agenda: we need something to call these people other than "christians." Some of my best friends are Christians (Moxie, I'm talking about you, baby!) and we need a different word to discuss those that "politicize their own hysteria" (a quote from Anne Lamott, via my hubbie).

Any suggestions?

Comments

[amy]

1.

I haven't read the comment but how about we call them 'Narrow Minded Zealots'or NMZ's?? Or Brain Washed Idiots, BWI's...

[amy]

2.

OK, I read the comments. Or those I could bear to read before I felt incredibly ANGRY at Holly... How about HollyBitch.. or wHollybitchy.. Or how about we ignore the rants of someone so insensitive she is NOT worth the time.

Like you need lunatics like this woman at this point in your life.. Forget about her, an idiot who has nothing better to do than rub salt in wounds she knows nothing about...

Be good to yourself ok?

[Kristin]

3.

I refer to people like that as "Fundamentalists". It refers to my in-laws as well as my family that live in the Bible belt and seems to fit. They live in this artificial world where "christianity" is something invented to make other people miserable in their judgments. It's like if you're so Christian, how come you're the one who's always judging me? Sheesh, I'll never understand people like that.

No matter who--or what--you believe in, life happens to all of us. I read the comments and couldn't believe the incredible amount of stupidity that was evident.

I'm so sorry for what you have been through and Charlie's post was the quintessential husband response. When he wrote that you heard something no woman should ever hear, I was almost crying. He's absolutely right, no one should ever be put in that situation. Obviously organ failure and, um, dying have to be taken into consideration.

People can be insanely stupid when they just start rattling and have no idea what they're talking about. If there were any other options available to you, I know--as well as all of the other sane people here--that you would've exercised those first.

[Expat]

4.

How about zealots or fundamentalists?

In our house we just call them evil, though.

[brilly]

5.

I'm a lurker who has been reading your journey for a long time. I'm sorry that Holly didn't understand the difficult choice you had to make. I'm an older Mum and I refused an amnio with my last child. My reason for that was if there was a problem and termination was chosen then in my country I would have had to have a live unviable birth. You were offered a much more compassionate way for you and your son.

One thing I have wanted to tell you about is my Grandmothers experience with eclampsia. She lost he first child at about 20 weeks. Her kidneys failed and she spent 6 weeks in a coma. During that time they fed another child off her. (That childs Mother had died from eclampsia.) My grandmother was advised to never have children. A few years later she had my Mum (small but healthy) and 4 years later my Aunt arrived. Every pregnancy is different. I know it is harder for you to concieve but anything is possible.

I'm going to stay away from the God thing but I would like to say that there are lots of people who believe that we go through different incarnations until we are perfect. To those people your boys had reached perfection. They only needed to be conceived and wanted and loved.

"You don't have to see the notes,
to be able to hear the music"

The music that is your boys will stay in your heart forever, your own private tune that belongs to you.

Take care and keep well
Brilly

[bugsy1970]

6.

Cecily - extra hugs for you.

I read the comments - well until I got to Holly's and then I ended up in angry tears and had to go for a walk to cool down.

I won't get started on the God thing as I am sure nobody wants to hear my views on that topic (believe me, you don't).

I think you know that 99% of everyone here is 110% behind you and everything you do. The 1% who aren't? Well who cares about them. They are entitled to their opinions and we are entitled to ignore them.

I hope during this extremely difficult time, you can draw some strength from the positive comments. I do hope the migraines settle down as well.

One step at a time hun, that is all you can do.

p.s. For what it is worth, I am struggling with the weight loss thing too. My doc says that is why we are having so much trouble conceiving. It is just sooooo hard.

Good luck hun.

[RainbowW]

7.

i call them "bible-thumping jesus-freaks who were brain damaged at rebirth."

when they knock on my door (a common occurance despite the pentagram and star of david smeared on my door in the blood of a hundred screaming virgins) i tell them that i'd never trust a religion whose logo is a dead boy on a stick.

offensive, yes. but if they insist on offending me, i have no problem returning the favor.

[Kim]

8.

Wow and just when you had been saying about how hard you had been on yourself and were sick of feeling shitty. Then some troll comes along and tries to make you feel even worse and justifies it according to her own personal beliefs which she self righteously thinks are the only 'true' ones. Also, what a sick thing to say - like choose the thing to say that will probably hurt the most and then she claims to believe in God. Sick huh. Some people amaze me. I sure hope you didn't let her get to you too much but it looks like you saw her comments for what they are worth.

[sarah]

9.

I like 'fucktards'. That's a good one.

I'd like to actually thank Holly for helping prove once again (in case anyone wasn't sure) what an incredible, amazing, compassionate, patient, intelligent, and funny woman you are!

And also for giving you a distraction, and me...that was kind of fun in a demented kind of way! ;-)

Love you,
Sarah

[StacyG]

10.

As a Christian I am horrified by Holly’s badgering of you. She seems to have forgotten the one greatest command...to love. Her posts were only said to make herself feel better. Her attempts to make you question your decision show her lack of self esteem and need to put someone else down in order to make herself feel better. I am so glad you dealt with her and even happier that you blocked her from your blog. I am sorry that she upset you and Charlie (yeah Charlie for your comment).

You were right with your comment about God being able to take the questions and the anger. He can handle it. Even Jesus said on the cross "Why have you forsaken me?" So, yes, I believe that He can take it from me and you and anyone else.

I also beleive you made the right decision. I will not even pretend to understand the pain and grief you and Charlie are feeling. Please know that I continue to pray that you find peace in all this and that someday soon you will find joy again.

Blessings.

[Kristie]

11.

Howdy...lurker here. I just wanted to say that I think you're incredibly strong and amazing and that I hope you're feeling 100% soon. But stop blaming yourself. It was NOT your fault. Period.

On another note...I'm with Sarah. "Fucktards" seems appropriate. The best part about Holly was that she completely believed that her medical degree from Google.com was better than your doctors' various degrees and experience. I wish I were THAT in love with myself.

Good luck. God bless (Yeah, I like to think I have a relationship with the Big Guy...but I don't pretend He tells me what other people should do...).

[Michele]

12.

Hey Cec-

I just caught up on your blog. Holly really IS a Fucktard! It's people like Holly that make me run screaming from churches. What an ASS. Good for you for banning her. What gall!

Thinking of you and Charlie.

Michele from FF

[Michelle]

13.

LOL! Dead boy on a stick. I must be twisted, I found that too funny.

I vote for fucktards.

Michelle

[Melanie]

14.

What I find so "funny" is that she began her comments with "what's done is done, you should stop being so bitter . . " (thanks for telling Cec how to feel!) and then proceeded to provide comment after comment explaining why what you did was SO VERY wrong (in her eyes). Yes, other women have had pre-eclampsia at 22 weeks and had a different outcome. In the 70's a baby was born at 19 weeks and "survived" (to what experience? Anyone noticed that there's no coverage of the septuplets now that it's obvious some of them aren't completely healthy?). And I'm sure that if Cec could've made the outcome different, she would have. And I personally know about 10 moms who've worked with Cec's OB and one L&D nurse with whom he did his residency who know he did everything he could.

I'm just dumbfounded that she spewed all that venomous propaganda and honestly believed she was trying to "help". Gah.

[akeeyu]

15.

You know, if Holly's God doesn't get her for being such a dreadful person, Karma will.

As far as terms for the uber-religious that fail to follow the tenents of their own religion (kindness, generosity, that whole stone throwing thing):

How about Ass-Hollys?
The Holly-er-Than-Thou-Crowd?
In Europe, don't they call the uber-fundys 'God Botherers'?

And Cec? Love you.

[Emily]

16.

My comment came before Holly's on the blog, so I missed the whole thing. First off, Holly, you ignorant bitch. Second off, if I called you what I really wanted to call you, Cecily would probably ban me too because of my potty mouth, but that whole exchanged angered me to my core. Fucktard is a good word because it has both a 'c' and and 't' in it and that's close enough to what I really think.

Oh Cecily, I'm so sorry that you had to endure that exchange with moron. I resent people who present their nastiness, cloaked in "I'm only trying to help". They need to go stick their heads back in the hole they pulled it out from (my father used to say that people like that always had their head up their ass and their mind in neutral and I never believed him, thinking that was just one of his witicisms; no I know, he was right).

Thinking of you.

[Janis]

17.

I like fucktards too. Especially since it is one I've been using for awhile now.

Holly wins the fucktard vote by a landslide.

[Jhondra]

18.

In my house, we call them fundie (short for fundamentalist) fucktards. We have an abundance of them in my state.

[Laurie]

19.

Last night while I was telling my DH what was going on I coined a new one, fucktarded asshats. Down with Fucktarded Asshats!

[Miriam]

20.

I've been lurking here for a while, but this is my first post. I stumbled across your story one day around the election and was very moved. I now frequently site your situation when arguing about the right to choice. I cannot imagine not having the choice to do what you and your doctors know is the only option for all involved.

As for what to call the type of Christians that many of us don't wish to associate with... Madeleine L'Engle, who wrote "A Wrinkle in Time" (among many other things), calls them "fundalits" -- a combination of fundamentalist and literalist. (She avoids just plain "fundamentalist" because she feels she herself is dedicated to the "fundamentals" of Christianity as well.)

But then again, fucktard is more fun to say... ;-)

[Kris]

21.

Glad to see you banned her. She's my first banned commenter too.

[Sarah]

22.

I'm on board for Fuctards! Yippie! A new word! Do you think it will make it into the OED?

I loved Brilly's idea about achieving perfection through being lovd and wanted.

Take care,
The other Sarah

[Mary]

23.

Delurking...

I am pissed. Not only pissed that you have to deal with infertility and preeclampsia and other oh-so-fun things, but pissed you have to deal with idiots who have the gall to try to tell you that you actually had any freaking choice in the matter.

I missed Holly's post, but NO ONE has any right to pass judgement on anyone else. I'm not waving any crosses or Stars of David or anything else, but I'm pretty sure that God doesn't like it when people try to do His job: pass judgement.

I wish telling you not to feel any guilt or remorse over the terrible thing that has happened to you would do any good. I know it won't though. While it IS true that NOTHING you did, NO PART of you, caused this, it is in human nature to question "Why?" Or "If only I (insert your own action here), things would've been different." I only hope that you will pass quickly and peacefully through this phase of recovering.

Preeclampsia has been associated with many things (most of which you have NO control over, like, oh, ethnicity, age, etc), the fact is that when a mom develops preeclampsia, we still shrug our shoulders and say "we don't know for sure why this happened." I have been an L&D RN with 8 years of high-risk experience. And Cecily, studies suggest that you having this horrible disease once does NOT make you any higher risk than your neighbor to develop it again. And weight is not nearly as significant as non-controllable risk factors, so please stop beating yourself up. I cannot tell you how many MORE skinny-as-a-rail girls I've seen develop PIH/preeclampsia than women of an average or heavier weight.

And let me comment on preeclampsia a little more: this is a DISEASE PROCESS. And a nasty one at that. This disease KILLS women and babies. It's easy to say not in 2004, not in America. Bullshit. It does. The ONLY ONLY ONLY cure for preeclampsia is termination of the pregnancy. That's it. When the disease progresses beyond medical mangement after viability, then induction of labor is performed (which is also, by the way, a form of pregnancy termination). When it develops before that- it is a much nastier, much more deadly form- then termination of the pregnancy is necessary to save the woman's life. While it is terribly sad that this means the fetus will not live, remember that the fetus will not live if the mother is dead, either. It is because people live in ignorance with the idea that health care these days can save everyone, every baby, every mother, that this concept is difficult to swallow.

As far as all of this crap about God not being a part of IVF...
Bull.
I believe everything happens for a reason. I believe you are only given what you can handle. While at times it feels like too much to bear, I still believe it. Yes these beliefs may sound absurd to some, but it's what keeps me going. I don't think God waves a giant finger at IVFers and says "No, no, no." I think that the struggle that many of us face on the road to motherhood happens for a reason. What reason? I don't know yet, there are days I still ask why. But I know that every moment, every day, shapes me into who I am, what I am to become.

My point is I don't know (nor does ANYONE on the freaking planet) why so many of us struggle with infertility, and have to turn to doctors for help. But I know it's not that we aren't meant to have babies. I don't think God sees infertility treatment as evil. There are hundreds of drugs and procedures that were created by MAN that save and sustain life every day. So I wonder if Holly (and others like her) would say to a mother whose child is on one of these life-sustaining drugs or, say, needs life-saving heart surgery "No, no, no, if God wants him to live He'll wave His Hand & he'll be cured!" Bullshit. God works through people, not just on them.

Rambling here, I know, but Cecily you and your babies have touched a very sensitive nerve in me. I do wish you a speedy and peaceful recovery. And no more troll feeding- direct your energy toward healing.

[anne]

24.

You are such a strong and beautiful woman Cecily. I've been trying to think of the right thing to say and all i can say is I AM SORRY. I am sorry the choices were taken out of your hands.I am sorry you never got to meet your boys. I am sorry. Can I also apologize as a catholic who reads your site? That fucktard was so out of line, it made me so so angry to read her comments. There are no words for insanity like that. I am amazed that you took so long in banning her.
I have always believed that it is not my place to tell anyone, ANYONE, how they should choose. ONLY God can judge. and you are right, the God you talk to, that I talk to, is A-OK with us questioning him. Otherwise he wouldn't of given us free-will. As said by another commenter..even Jesus questioned.
I am sorry for all the caps, and for too much God talk, but that woman made me effin seein purple. There are not enough curse words excisting to curse that fucktard out.

[Journeywoman]

25.

We call them Fundies.

Christians, as you say, lumps them together with people who honestly follow the teachings of Christ, not just pay lip service to it.

Also fundies are anyone. Muslim, Jewish, Christian...heck we even met a Fundie Wiccan.

In the Journeywoman household
Fundie=belief in a religion so vehemently as to deny and denounce your right to believe in yours.

Best wishes today and always.

[Jennifer]

26.

Personally, I always thought they already had a name: "Asshats" - wasn't that word designed especially for them? ;-)

[Alana]

27.

Personally, I like goat hole. Holly can always come over to my place an offer me advice. I'm in the mood to be amused.

But on a different note, I hope enough people have told you that you did what you had to do for you to take some comfort. Had you any REAL choice the outcome would have definatly been different. I hope that your pain will ease in the time and way that you need. I think of you often and am amazed by your incredible strength. As always, you and your husband are in my prayers.

[Brandy]

28.

Dear Cecily,
I'm a Christain myself, but I do not agree with everything that Holly said. If my life was in danger, which it was with my triplets, the doctors and my family would have made the same decision that you did. As you said you did not have a choice, the baby would not have survived if you didn't. We did infertility after three years of being unable to get pregnant. We did two cycles of IUI with injections and got pregnant with triplets. Hunter was stillborn on 1/29/04 and I was able to hold off on my other two boys for 13 days. They were born @ 22w6d. We have had a VERY long and HARD road. I know some Christains say you should not do anything unnatural like infertility, but then why did He put people on this earth that can help you have babies? All I am saying is PLEASE do not put all of us in the same place with Holly. I think you are a wonderful woman who wants to be a Mommy and will do anything to be one. I was the SAME way and nothing is wrong with that. I will NOT push God and my beliefs on you. It is everyone's right to belief what they want to. I hope you get pregnant and have a good pregnancy with a health baby or babies. If you want to talk you can e mail me at CBHBDAllen5@aol.com
Brandy

[hols]

29.

LOL, i definatly vote for fucktarded asshats! thats great!
im sorry there are people out there that have nothing better to do with their time than try to hurt someone else.
you are still in my thoughts and prayers.

ps. im a holly, but always go by hols

[Pazel]

30.

I think ignorant close-minded judgmental fucktards is a good description.

I would also ban someone who claimed anti-choice sites as medical sources and also had a hobby of hurting women a week after the death of their babies. Lovely woman, I'm sure she's a joy to be around. So full of hate and such a willingness to share her rightiousness to try to trample on those in mourning.

She obviously misjudged your strength of character. A small-minded mouse such as that has no chance against a loving, thinking, out-spoken woman as yourself.

Don't waste another ounce of energy on such a fucktard. She's obviously drowning in her own stupidity, so sorry she can't even save herself.

[BrendaS]

31.

Holly needs to get the stick out of her ass and realize that not every situation is the same. Some are more severe than others. I probably wouldn't have used that method of termination, but who am *I* to tell anyone else what to do? You do what's best for you in that situation and that's that! If I ever had to make those decisions, I would hope and pray that my friends would understand and respect my decisions...

B~

[Ellen]

32.

I really have to second StacyG's comments above and add...

I am a Christian also, and I was pretty horrified to read some of the things that Holly said in the last comment section. I know that when you put yourself out in blogworld, and add a comment engine, you open yourself up for everyone's opinion, which is fine, if you can take it (having my own blog has definitely built up my usual sensitive response to criticism.) However, there is a time and a place for theology/morality wars and this was neither. Out in the real world, you would never berate a mother whose children have both recently died--why on earth did she think that here was any different? I don't know. Maybe she just wasn't thinking about the fact that Cecily is a real person, not a hypothetical case to use as a pulpit for the Pro-Life movement.

Cecily, and others, who have had fundamentalist trolls...I'm sorry. We aren't all like that. Just as fundamentalist Christians need to realize that every person's situation is different, and some decisions are extremely difficult to make, I hope that people don't lump all Christians into the same stinkpot when one of us shoots their mouth off at a very inappropriate time.

-Ellen

[Chris]

33.

Ok...this is all I'm going to say about "Holly the Troll":

20 weekers can not survive outside the womb, there are no hospitals that will even attempt to save them.

I know this because my precious son was a 20 weeker...they didn't even try...I held him in my arms as his heart stopped beating.

Current medical literature says that 24 weeks is the age of viability...anything prior to that simply isn't realistic with current medical technology.

I simply post this (after fighting the urge to vomit after reading the crappola spewed) because I want other women to have correct and true information.

Cecily and Charlie:

It is a sad world when people feel that it is more important to criticize and judge such a critically personal (and devastating) decision to further their own "fundamentalist whacko" agenda rather than to support the severe grief that often is a result of such unavoidable decisions.

I am more sorry for this fiasco of judgemental hoodoo than words can describe.

Please don't think me strange, but I "lurve" you both...be kind to yourselves and to heck!! with the trolls!

[deb]

34.

How 'bout ...

hypocrit + cristian = "hypocristians"

[Moxie]

35.

Wow. I can't believe I missed all of this.

I think HOlly is missing a key protein or something that allows brain synapses to fire. Let's say, hypothetically, that you had considered letting yourself die. Um, how, exactly, was the baby supposed to survive when his life support system was dead. It wasn't a choice between you or the baby. It was a choice between one of you dying or both of you dying. These things happen to people in emergency situations and THE ONLY CHOICE is to save a life when possible. THE ONLY CHOICE was to save Cecily's life.

Oh, and Cecily, my pastor asked about you today (I sent out an email asking for prayers when you didn't know if you'd lose both boys) and when I told her what happened, she said, "Oh, I'm so sorry. Her sons are with God now, but I can't even imagine her pain. I'll pray for her to heal."

Oh, and said pastor reminded us today that we will all be judged in the final days. But that we need to remember that the one judging us will be Jesus, who loved us so much that he gave his life for us. I thought that was interesting.

Journeywoman, I know a fundamentalist atheist!

[rivka]

36.

In my house we call people like Holly "soapboxers." People who always have to spew their opinions standing on their holy soapbox, no matter what the situation or context.

Seriously, the sanctimonious arrogance of that woman is appalling. To try to hide her self-rightous arrogant attitude behind a "love of God" script is cowardly and slimy.

[Sara]

37.

The problem with "fundamentalists" is that that is what they call themselves. You need something more than that. Plus, I'd even argue that not all fundamentalists would agree with Holly and her ilk. I've met some who wouldn't. I've met some who made choices similar to yours.

While Fucktards is highly appropriate, it isn't descriptive enough. Anyone can be a fucktard.

What about Sanctimentalists? Or Fucktardmentalists? You really need something that specifies that these are American Taliban asshats, not just your garden-variety asshats.

On another note, I spent quite awhile doing some research (real research, in real medical databases, not prolife sites) on viability and gestational age, and I just couldn't find all these surviving 20-weekers that she so blithely talks about. The prolife sites like to use gestational age, so all those pictures of 21-week surviors were atually 23-week survivors, and the literature suggests that many of the "youngest" survivors were actually low-birthweight *older* babies. One large study has a table of all the other large studies they could find, and none of them had any survivors at 22 weeks....

Its only numbers, but they are actual numbers from actual doctors, not propagandists.

I think the biggest thing is that Holly and others like her don't get, or don't WANT to get, that even in this day and age, babies die. And mothers can die. We've got this idea that danger in pregnancy and childbearing is some kind of thing of the past, that if we just eat the right things and plan to deliver at the righ Level III nicu, nothing can happen. She just can't process that your life was most definitely at risk, that just a few days or weeks can make a difference in a baby's outcome, that you can't just lump 20 weeks togher with 23 and 24....

This is an issue close to me. My grandmother was left motherless by what happened to you. Back then, there was nothing that could be done until it was too late for both mother and baby; while what you had to choose to do was awful, at least the choice and the technology to save you was there.

[Lisa]

38.

I like fucktard or asshole, because these people in no way exhibiting the kind of life Christ told us to live. There is nothing "Christian" about them.
Really how dare they have so much ego that they presume to speak for God!
Cecily, God can handle whatever you need to say right now, and so can we. Be pissed, be sad ~ you are handling this with so much grace.

[Dani]

39.

As a Christian, I wanted to appologize on behalf of other christians for Holly's comments. I am completely appalled at her lack of respect and love for you.
I too had the early signs of preeclampsia towards the end of my pregnancy, starting at 34 weeks. After 2 weeks of going in to see the doctor twice a week and having my blood pressure monitored the doctors decided that it just wasn't worth the risk and they induced me for labor. You can't tell the future and for me, I thought it was just best to trust the professionals.
I agree, God can handle whatever it is that you have to say to Him. Read the psalms, they are full of ranting and raving. He would rather have your honesty than your "holiness." None of us have the right to judge you, it is between you and God, not you God and the rest of us to tell you what we think. May God bless you, fill you with His peace and love, and show you the answers that you are looking for.

blessings,
dani

[Slim]

40.

Voting with Godbotherer, both because these people pester God for everything ("Lord, help me find a buyer for my house") and because I doubt God is well-pleased with those who feel the need to berate the grieving.
And now, a moment of what I hope will come across as respectful dissent rather than prim offense-seeking: The term "fucktard" really makes me cringe, because everytime I read "tard" I think of the word "retard" used as an insult. Is that the derivation of "fucktard"? It makes me very sad to think that people with inherent developmental delays are being associated with willful proctovisionaries like Holly.
::: dismounts soapbox, shuffles off :::

[Ana]

41.

Delurking to say:
I am a Christian too but I just could not believe the things Holly had the nerve to say the other day. I am so sorry that you had to read that after all you have been through and I am also very sorry for the damage these people do to the image of all Christians.

Ana

[Rachel]

42.

What a terribly hypocritical person this Holly is! I am not at all religious, but isn't there something about not judging others? The "Those without sin cast the first stone" thing?

How amazing it must be to be so perfect and sinless that she can sit in judgement on you.

((((((((Huge Hugs to you and yours))))))))))) Those that kick others while their down should be burned at the stake!

[Cricket]

43.

I had so much to say about this, opinionated as I am about religion, biology, and women's issues. Rather than put it here, I stuck it in my own blog. See link. The bottom line is that people needing TLC need not be confronted instead by gnats, wasps, and hornets.

[Maria]

44.

I am a Christian, and I don't believe that God is so meek that he can't handle some name-calling and anger that may come his way. We are human, afterall, and we're allowed to be angry - even at God.

[Monique]

45.

You know, there are Christians and then there are those that I call Crazyians.

Those Crazyians are the ones who read the Bible, twist it to their liking and then feel the need to shove their beliefs down your throat.

They also love to judge you and your actions while 9 times out of 10 they have the most unperfect lives around.

On top of that they love to strip everyone and everything of their rights because hey, Jesus said so.

[steps down off of the soapbox]

::hugs::

[JenH/VintageUterus]

46.

That Holly is a fucking freakshow.

Don't we have enough to stress about without these freaks clogging the blog comment section? Is it just me, or does it seem like these ignorant losers are crawling out of the woodwork lately? Hmmm. Could they feel empowered by the election, perhaps? "One of them" is now the ruler of the freeworld? (YIKES) Oh, I better stop, or someone will send me more scary hate mail about how I've single-handedly ruined IF bloglandia with my political ranting.

On a "positive" note! It's true Cecily... you officially have your own troll! Aren't you proud?? ; ) But you've always been cool to me, troll or no troll!

How about these names... just for "starts"?
FUCKDAMENTALISTS
SHITIANS
BORONS
MORONMENTALISTS
BUTTWIPIANS
ASSTIANS
IGNORANTIANS
STUPIDIANS
HOLLIES
and my personal fave, JUDGEMENTALISTS

[Lioness]

47.

I call them Chrolls = Christian Trolls. Not to be confused w christians who are NOT trolls.

[Lioness]

48.

Read some more comments, fucktard has a brilliant ring to it ( RainbowW? I LIKE you!)

[JuliaKB]

49.

Delurking to say
Cecily and Charlie, you are awesome people. I am sorry for everything you had to live through.
For the name: Josh Marshal over at the www.talkingpointsmemo.com calls religious leaders who spew that kind of hate "radical clerics." Maybe we can borrow? These trolls do preach, after all...

[Anne]

50.

God I feel so out of touch (been so busy at work I can hardly think straight when I get home much less really get time to read anything in blog world) I just got done REALLY reading all of Holly’s oh so lovely comments and all I could keep thinking was, “WHAT THE FUCK!” (pardon the shout). I mean Holly if you’re reading this I respect your right to disagree and to have an opinion, but really go and do it on your own blog is you want and stop handing out assvice and being incredibly hurtful to boot. Also even thought you can find a lot of credible and valid information on the internet (and google is the librarian’s favorite search engine – coming form a real life librarian) the last I heard the University of Phoenix was NOT handing out medical degrees and neither is Google. I’m sure C’s doctors (not the mention Cecily and Charlie) did everything they could to not only save C’s pregnancy but to also save her life! So please stop handing out the assvice and get a fucking life. C I’m glad you banned her – I’m still fuming here so if I seem a bit incoherent – well you know why.

And on a final rant – the thing I remember most from my years at Catholic school was a song the had the refrain “ … they will know we are Christians by our love, by our love, they will know we are Christians by our love.” I always took that to mean that God and true Christians loved indiscriminately, equally, and without discrimination. I’m sorry to say that I think the main reason I don’t go to church very often is b/c I feel an awful lot of Christians really missed out on what Jesus was trying to teach, you know that whole love thy neighbor as you would love thy self thing.

Anyway sending you many strong positive thoughts from the middle of the Pacific. And as usual your strength and grace under such a horrendous attack is inspiring – you’re my hero.

And I’m putting my vote in for “Chrolls = Christian Trolls” LOL that is a good one!

[Jesus]

51.

Sometimes I wish I could block Holly, too. I've had to listen to an incessant stream of hateful crap from her and others of her ilk for years. I wish she'd just leave me the fuck alone. I feel for you.

By the way, your boys are doing just fine. I've got them right here in my arms.

[atomic]

52.

First, rainbowW, I'm sorry but I am totally stealing that dead boy on a stick thing because that is funn-ee.

Second, Holly is just a stupid, stupid women. I'm being kind here, but in a nutshell, she's ignorant and not bright and, well, she has a very low IQ. (Trying so hard not to say what I really feel as the language that could come out of me right now is not healthy.) But really, it's like she's not capable of understanding what she reads. Much like a two year old? WHY WHY WHY. I loathe her. I can't believe I share a planet with people like that.

I just had to de-lurk to spit venom in her general direction, because she deserves to have her fingernails pulled out with rusty pliers. I must stop now as the urge to pull out the C word is nearly overwhelming.

[Carrie Jo]

53.

Damn, I sure missed a good troll fight. I like fundie fucktard myself.

[reenie]

54.

Cecily –
I am so terribly sorry for the sadness and grief in your life right now.
Grief does not begin to explain it.
I don’t know much about you, and I know you don’t know much about me…but we are both mothers who have lost their children. I felt I needed to "talk" to you personally, because you may (or may not) have read some of my comments on other blogs. I am reenie. I have unwisely engaged in political debate on a few blogs, and this is not my strong suit. I get overly emotional and say things that may be construed as extremely Chrollish. Your name and situation came up on a blog, and someone asked me if I could really blame you for having a D&E. I can’t blame you. I understand why you did what you did. I like to believe I would have done the labor instead of the D&E as I personally believe it’s wrong to have an abortion, but as that situation has never come up in my life, I can’t say for an absolute certainty that I would. We all have convictions, but not all of us have to face up to them. The fact that I don’t believe abortion is right doesn’t mean that I’m any better than you, nor does it mean I will try to assert myself as the model of behavior. I hope that if you have read any of these comments, you take them the right way. I meant only to explain my views…not to condemn you for making the hardest choice of your life.
Again, I am so so sorry you ever had to know what it felt like to outlive your children. It sucks. And I do believe that God can handle your anger. He loves you.
Thanks for being strong enough to share your pain. When I lost my boy I wasn’t even strong enough to talk to my family about it. I think your way is healthier.
reenie

[janaya]

55.

i have a word for those kind of christians, "hypochristians." christians who do not actually act christ-like.

[Carl]

56.

Its funny. You people that comeup with names like "Fundie Fucktard" think you all the shit huh? Such high intellect and culture you have there that how about FPL, short for Fat Pathetic Losers, for yoursleves eh?

[Carl Douglas]

57.

Additionally, I love it when people try to justify their behavior by saying "Don't do God's job" "quit judging me" That is the lamest fuck excuse I have heard in my life. There are different types of judgement of course, there are judgements that the courts hand down to criminals, that is obviously a judgement. There is the judgement that all people who are not atoned for, will face one day when God does indeed pass judgement.

Saying that we aren't do judge someone is idiotic. We aren't supposed to sit around while the world goes to shit, we are the salt, we help keep it from rotting, and when you see injustice, hate, bigotry, evil, etc, you proclaim it for what it is and you don't pretend it doesn't exist, and not judge it because someone took an out of context quote from the bible and said "judge not"

FYI what Jesus it talking about when he says judge not, lest ye be judged, he is talking about hypocrits. He's not saying we aren't to call evil evil, we are not to go around having affairs and screwing anything that moves, and then turn around and tell someone how they shouldn't do the same thing.

Get real.

[Joanne]

58.

I have no idea what you've been through....and I don't want to...I am a christian though and I know one thing that you can take to the bank....God loves you!!! No matter what!!! Even though it may not seem like it at times....

[Susan R]

59.

You can draw some strength from the positive comments.